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Post by Tristan315 on Sat 11 Jun 2011, 11:24

Hey guys, it's been a while but works been crazy busy. Recent split with the GF and moving back home ment that it was only right to buy a new car though, so not all bad!!

Picked her up on Thursday and haven't stopped smiling since!!

Will post more over the weekend but a few pics to start with...

1990 944 Turbo S, 144k on the clock but shes been "slightly" modified and the only unchanged part is the bottom end of the engine.

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She needs a little TLC inside but the clock works!! Hope to be a bit more active now that I have a car that works Twisted Evil
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Post by Monkeymagic on Sat 11 Jun 2011, 18:13

Looks very nice and in a good colour
Looka like the prev owner has spent a few quid on it aswell

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Post by tux on Sat 11 Jun 2011, 19:42

Crikey! That looks like it has had some serious money spent. Even the expansion tank looks brand new. Very nice indeed. Cool

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Post by Lord Chris on Sat 11 Jun 2011, 20:05

Very very nice! I'm jealous tongue
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Post by Monkeymagic on Sat 11 Jun 2011, 20:25

would be better in yellow and was under my bonnet

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Post by GavTheMighty on Sat 11 Jun 2011, 20:47

That wasn't the 400+ bhp seiously modded Turbio that was on pistonheads was it? They had spent a fortune on that car and it is seriously fast. Nice buy something I would do had I the cash. Smile
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Post by Tristan315 on Sun 12 Jun 2011, 03:23

It's the very one Smile The guy who rebuilt it has done an awesome job!! Just a few little niggles to sort out but after 2 hours today I fixed the cd changer, arm rest insert swapped for a new one and narrowed the non working passenger window to two wires. She smokes a bit every now and again so am keeping an eye on that but I have a matching turbo (race balanced) ready to go on if its the seal... Still getting used to driving her though so it's probably me doing something wrong.
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Post by GavTheMighty on Sun 12 Jun 2011, 18:54

Wow nice one matey I was reading the spec on that car when it came on pistonheads and the owner really spent money on it didn't skimp on anything so in my mind you got a bargain. As you said a little tidying up to make it mint again and you have one bloody awesome toy to play with. How I envy you I can't even get my 924S to run half the time lol.
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Post by Tristan315 on Mon 13 Jun 2011, 11:02

She's definitely running through the "new owner test" with me affraid !!!

The sunroof is leaking so fingers crossed tomorrow it won’t rain all day and ill check/fix the seal.
She’s still idling rough(7-800 rmp) at first (ok after about 1 min but still doesn’t like reverse) but I’m hoping it’s down to the cold plugs and that she’s tuned for the modified head (which is not currently on).

The battery also seems to not be recharging so well (13v back but I’m certain when I picked her up it was closer to 14v).

The fans have stopped working unless on setting 4, looking into this though it could be fuse/relay fault but will try the contacts route first (did just cut out dead though after working fine...).

Have had to top her up with quite a lot of oil also although not been on boost today so the oil light didn't come on... looking more and more like the turbo seal is gone... Would you go through 1litre+ of oil in 250 miles if it was a turbo seal? (Does that much oil "leak" through? Currently using Mobile 1 15w 50, should I be using different?). shes got
"Oil filter is Lindsey Racing billet type with 8 micron filter cartridge. Additional oil filter in turbocharger circuit. Additional remote oil filter kit (KISS) using 13 row motec oil cooler in series with standard 951 oil radiator. Additional oil breather system includes remote and vented catch tank / oil separator mounted in N/S front wing. Vapour purge system has been deleted."
Fitted there is a pipe coiming down and tucked into the wing which im assuming is connected to the oil catch tank, is this something that I need to drain (if full could this be causing the smoking?)..




It’s down 15 psi across all four cylinders which the previous owner said was probably due to the bottom end and the rings (as are 144k originals) could these be causing the loss of oil? He said he would fix in a year or two if he was keeping though but I’m not 100%... Smoke is better if I let her heat up before going near boost but still occasionally once stopped / low pressure she’ll smoke (big time)! Just trying to work out what could be the issue... If it is the turbo though it’s a good excuse to put the modified head on her also, was kind of hoping to get used to her first though before doing a large swap out...

What do you think it “should” cost to swap the turbo, head and fix the bottom end (new rings etc) even a rough figure would be good. Is the turbo swap easy enough? I’m scared to break things but am ok mechanically. Is it just a case of draining everything, remove intakes, turbo, put in new and replace intake and fluids? It’s a matching turbo just race balanced to 0.4g so would anything else need changing? (Sorry messed about with my 924 and 944 lux) but most if not all of this car is new to me so after any advice / pointers.

Haha on the plus side, had a guy in his “Jag” flashing me all the way across the tops, when I stopped to see what the matter was he ran up saying that there were flames coming out of my exhaust and ”it looked horrible”, I had to say that “it can happen” before going on my merry way.
Planning on a new air & oil filter, checking the plugs etc etc but just wondering how I can test to see where I’m losing oil / if a more drastic fix is needed. I am trying to bring myself up to speed but if anyone could help that would be awesome!

P.S. All of the creators notes can be found under the History table here http://www.cannell.co.uk/Updates%20%20and%20%20Mods.htm
And a lot of pic here from original to finished... http://www.cannell.co.uk/944%20Turbo.htm
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Post by PompeySteve on Mon 13 Jun 2011, 19:33

Bejesus .... it sure looks the biz but some of the stuff you describe is scaring me a bit. Why would someone spend that amount of time and money and put it all on top of a 140k bottom end? Younger engines than that come up on a fairly regular basis and it would have a been a cheap fix (compared to the rest of it). I would be getting it down to am independent turbo specialist pretty quickly.
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Post by Lord Chris on Mon 13 Jun 2011, 20:20

I think you need to think very carefully about the order you do things! It would be too easy to let the costs get out of hand by just swapping the bits you have.

Keep us informed and good luck
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Post by Tristan315 on Tue 14 Jun 2011, 07:17

Hey guys, right a bit further forward...
Had all manner of tubing off today and no oil in sight, no play in the turbo (which was fitted more recently than first thought) so that kind of means it's only one thing causing the occasional smoking... the bottom end / rings... Kind of good to know the most probable cause... yet also not too great...
So assuming the worst and that it’s the rings that need sorting does anyone know if it would be worth swapping the turbo and head at the same time? (Am getting quotes through but to be honest if I had someone with a bit more knowledge than me I would look to do it myself... maybe I should anyway?). I believe you can pull everything from below so swapping the head and turbo would be additional work so will have to see what it will cost and weigh things up.
PompeySteve, the car was bought with 77k on the clock she was then modified. She’s up to 144k now with the difference being covered between 2000-2011 so I guess it’s not too bad. The turbo is quite new (2005 ish) leaving the bottom end / rings the only 144k item. No oil near the turbo, smokes a lot after running down a big hill and at low pressure... Plus she’s down 15 psi across all 4 cylinders so I’m thinking its the rings... Does this fit ? Anyone think it could be something else?

All’s not too bad even if it is, if I can find all of the data for dis-assembly and re-assembly I may do it myself, would be a bit lazy (and expensive) to let someone else do all the work but need further info before feeling confident to do myself... Anyone bored, near Halifax and fancy helping out? Well worth a shot!
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Post by Mav666 on Tue 14 Jun 2011, 07:59

Looks great, only place it can be leaking oil from what you say is through in the chamber if the turbo is clean.
As everything comes out from underneath shouldn't be to hard, but its everything else that has to come off that will be the time consuming bit, gearbox/torque tube, belts etc will all have to come off

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Post by PompeySteve on Tue 14 Jun 2011, 18:58

If you can rule out the turbo then it either the rings or valve stem oil seals in the head. Certainly burning during lift off is normal on high mileage engines. If it was me (and the budget allows) then I would have the head looked at while you have got everything apart. It really would be a bugger to put it all back together to find the valve stems were the cause (all for a 50p bit of rubber!). Also the valve seats could be re-seated to improve compression. Most modern cylinder heads can be refurbed for £300 - £500. The bottom end is more difficult to predict - as Paul says - there's a lot to take off before you get to it.
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Post by Tristan315 on Tue 14 Jun 2011, 20:35

Hola, aye I'm thinking that it would make sense to rule everything out in one go. Although the head was off during the rebuild but this was about 70k miles ago now. I do have a spare uprated head that came with the car (and which the car is setup for) this is a stage IV CTM reworked head with...

" The head will be stripped and cleaned, crack tested etc. New valve guides will be fitted, along with bigger inlet valves. The inlet ports are being taken right out and polished. Five angle valve seats are being cut. The exhaust ports will remain pretty much standard (retaining the ceramic liner) with just minor smoothing and possibly replacing the sodium filled exhaust valves. Test fitting of a 944 2.7 inlet valve in to the turbo head is a success. This valve is 3mm bigger (48mm). This, in conjunction with the Lindsey Racing Titanium valve retainers should remove a considerable amount of weight from the valve gear, giving much greater air flow and allowing a higher rev limit. UPDATE: std valve+retainer = 132.65g, 48mm inlet valve +LR titanium retainer = 129.35g, a weight saving of 3.3g per inlet valve assembly."

This is just sat here waiting to be installed Smile I also have a brandnew K26 special turbo that has been balanced, although currently fitted is " a LR Super 75 Turbo, retaining water cooling and with a #8 hotside. This is a Garret T04E turbine with 67mm compressor and will flow 1,088 cfm (standard turbo/250 uses KKK K26/8 which flows about 367 cfm) at 1 bar boost." so as the turbo seems to be fine no point swapping this out.

I've also been looking at the LR dry sump systems http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/LRDSUMP.html but as I'm not particularly rich (by any means!) this will have to come further down the line... maybe after a lottery win...

It's just as has been said, lots of parts to come off and who knows what will be found. The smoking is currently occasional though so I should have enough time to save up for the work that is required before things get much worse...

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Post by Tristan315 on Tue 14 Jun 2011, 21:54

Yay, removed and cleaned a black! K&N air filter yesterday, left to dry and re-oiled. Wow what a difference! Shes now idling happily at start up and seems much happier!!

Next on to the blower (stopped working on setting 1, 2 or 3) going to take a look under the black front cover and see if it's the contacts there... Fingers crossed....

Shaping up to be a good hoilday so far Smile
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Post by GavTheMighty on Wed 15 Jun 2011, 17:58

Damn you so jealous lol I am moving very soon to Hatfield and I'm not even sure my car will make it there let alone enjoy it Smile
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Post by calisfar on Wed 15 Jun 2011, 23:15

Mmmm shiney bits. Very nice
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Post by Tristan315 on Wed 06 Jul 2011, 04:27

Hey guys, grr no car now for one week and a sunny one at that! Took her in to get a small gearbox oil leak sorted to find holes in two fuel lines (one near the breaks and the other by the exhaust!!).

So on the plus side it was spotted before I blew up and maybe she is not as thirsty as I first thought but sat waiting for parts to arrive Sad I have high hope though that this will fix the cold idling issue though so fingers crossed for no more "new owner" tests for at least a while anyway! hehe...
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Post by tux on Wed 06 Jul 2011, 06:43

Good and bad news then. Neutral

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Post by Lord Chris on Wed 06 Jul 2011, 10:01

Are you coming to a show......Would love to see it in the flesh?
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Post by Tristan315 on Fri 08 Jul 2011, 12:25

Would love to and yep as soon as shes back on the road I'll be out and about again! and this was supposed to be the reliable one haha...

Still waiting for the fuel lines (special delivery from Germany) fingers crossed they will be here tomorrow and I can have her back in time for the leeds meet on Saturday (and my birthday)... but yep definately wanting to bring her out for some fun days out!
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Post by Mav666 on Sat 09 Jul 2011, 02:36

Have you bought hard fuel lines Tristan?

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Post by Tristan315 on Thu 14 Jul 2011, 10:24

Hola sorry been busy with work.... Aye hard line replacements (porsche parts) replaced 3 back lines which connect to the aeroquip lines in the engine bay. There is a rubber connector in the system though which from reading the build notes was to reduce the pulses from the pump (interms of noise I think..?). Got her back the other day and shes running loads better!! Think I can hear the fuel system working now though so may need to tweak further, need to run a bit more though/further test....

I use Pro-porsche (Garage) top guys and work but as the cars 80% custom shes going to cost a lot to keep sending to any garrage am looking for a lockup but most are completely over priced Sad Would be great to have somewhere to tinker though and sort my 924 and 944 lux out.... 1982 924 (been off road for about 2 years now) only needs pass window and short handbreak cable and what ever else has gone wrong while shes been sat. The 1986 944 lux has a crack in the balance shaft housing , i bought a replacement cover and shaft for a bargin £40 though so need to pull the engine I guess and swap out... Would be a good way to build up to the turbo Smile

So were down to the ac pulley (looks to be warped or the rubber dampner is going, tweaks on the fuel lines and oh the rings at somepoint (once I've saved up a small fortune Smile or have somewhere to do it myself (gulp).... Washed and polished her up today shes looking nice and clean again Smile Need to get the replacement nose panel sprayed though have t-cut it today which has helped blend it slightly but you can still tell its a slightly different colour/different age paint... I did like the debadged fibreglass nose she had on though so may see if I can sort out another...

Plenty to do but hey thats half the fun right... Shocked
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Post by pauly on Wed 17 Aug 2011, 00:24

So any updates on WUF ?, I thought about buying it when it was up for sale but decided owning 2 turbo's was a bit extravagant, did take it for a little drive and it has the potential to be a real monster, shame the previous owner wouldn't sell me the unfitted head and turbo though Sad .
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